censorship

Although I really dislike censorship, using the f word in your name will give our site a bad name for many people, perhaps "f... you and have a nice day" could voluntarily alter their name...

YOU HAVE TO BE JOKING HOW DID RICHARD ALLOW THAT

I agree with Bill, such abusive names cannot be tolerated here. I'm very sorry to see that this player plays under Polish flag... :(((

hi, xyz00, then, why don't you kindly write this person an e-mail, perhaps in Polish, to ask himself to refrain himself from doing so.

I am sure that most of the players at LG like to be immersed in a clean, healthy, and friendly atmosphere. Is it possible that this person does not know what that f- word means?

There is a suspicion in my mind that some Polish players may not know the word "resign", hence, in Hex games, insisting to play the game till the very end, even though the opponent's group has all diamond-shaped connections already. and this player's rating is above 1550.

If anything on this planet is more universally recognized than Mickey or Arnold or McD's, surely it is the f word.

I've asked him already, several hours ago, as soon as I noticed it. No answer though. But it's very possible that he didn't log in LG after that. As far as I know he is young boy, hot-tempered maybe but it's no excuse of course.

And as for resignation in games, I don't think it's a real problem. Every player has the right to play till the very end (even if it's the bitter end) not only in hex but in every game here. Your statement imposes that Polish players (well, some of them) are really "bad guys" because they don't want to resign. Does it really bother you?

Hi,

a question - what is the sense of those continuing remarks about polish players in the forum - I'm really against political correctness and I love aggressive jokes (and there are some good ones about every nation) - but this makes me angry not regarding the nation.

Hi, Jupp, sorry, my apologies. I really did not mean to say the nation's name in any contemptuous way at all. will try to refrain myself from such mentioning in the future. :)

Hi, xyzoo, when ALL the connections are either solid links or diamond-shaped links in Hex, and when the player, whose rating is higher than 1550, continues to play, the situation did annoy me slightly. I would prefer to do dishes than responding to those moves.

But my comment is meant to emphasize on my suspicion that this player might not know that "resign" button exists and is meant for resigning early. :) Good day.

Aren't those called bridges? "Diamond-shaped connections" is a bit long.

Or links. :-)

Eh, Tim, I think you are exaggerating things. If you really have bridges all over the board then answering move takes you just few seconds. I repeat, every player has the right to play till the end and that it "slightly annoys" you does not matter in my opinion. Imposing resignation is extremely unfair behaviour. Maybe they play just for fun and do not ponder for hours over every move with grim face? ;>

I have to agree with Tim on the resignation matter. I use to say that as long as you have hope or tricks to try do not resign, by all means. But when the game is technically over is discourteous for your partner (and I think also for yourself) to play meaningless moves.

It's not a question of rights, it's a question of ethics.

Sometimes to know when the game is over is a question of skill but still, there is a limit. I can think of the extreme case when, on a 19x19 Go game, you are FORCED to play the game till the END, when no stones can be put on the board because of suicide. One has the right to do this on LittleGolem but is it sensible?

It is also a question of pride.

Suppose I am so far behind in a game that I can only win if my opponent does soemthing really stupid. By playing on, I am assuming that this opponent, who has proved himself smarter than me, might be really stupid. What would this imply about myself?

Basically I agree with you, it's a question of ethics and/or pride. I'm not saying that everyone should play to the end, far from it. You have your honour or pride, you have your "resignation threshold" and you do resign in situations that are beyond this threshold. And this is very good, I also have my limits and resign games that are hopeless. But it's an ethics or pride of these players, so let the problem be their because complaining is meaningless.

To be honest, I would still play a game through to the end, unless I had alot of experience playing it. I haven't had this happen because I am new to most of these games, but I need the experience to learn what happens from there on out. But if someone has played alot, then they would know better than me obviously :).

And don't forget Tartakower: Nobody did ever win a game by resignation!

All the comments are nice and insightful, thank you.

My emphasis actually was placed on my suspicion that this particular player in my mind was NOT aware of the existence or the availability of the resign option.

Sorry that I did not make myself clear, which suggests that, in communications, clarity of what we intend to say is very important. :) Good day.

Tim, it's now clear what you ment. Still a remark (in general) about resigning. I'm an Othello player. In Othello resign is extremely rare, in by far most tournaments the final disccount is important so one plays on to make the most of a clearly losing position. I'm a beginning Go player. In many of my games I already see that I cannot win anymore quite early:) Still there are often many area's on the board that still are worth a fight, fights from which I can learn alot, especially if the opponent is MUCH better than me! Many times when a player is "hoping for a resign" it's at most 10 or 15 moves from the end where no more points are on the board. In a game which often takes 200+ moves that shouldn't be a problem to wait for. Some players do play till the can-not-move-anymore-end, I suspect 99% of these are true beginners. And the other 1% is from now on trying to anoy Tim:) ..... a beginners view .....

Hi, Crelo's comments did identify the crux of the issue: resignation is a matter of courtesy and ethics. The situation is very similar to our driving on the roads. By law, we do not need to yield to any other drivers when they desire to squeeze in front of us from other lanes (by rules, we do not need to resign if we do not want to). But it is plainly nice for us to yield, purely for courtesy or for thoughtfulness for a fellow human being. After all, our actions involve others, not just ourselves alone.

In my case, all my stones are connected solidly or bridged (as T. D. termed), even a beginner can see that. And my opponent is a player with a rating higher than 1550, far from a beginner.

Since this player is not an English-speaking person, I thought that there might be a 70% chance that he did not know the availability of the resignation button. I can imagine that, if LG were displayed in Japanese, I would not know where to click to resign. Had there not be for this suspicion of mine, I would not have vented my slight annoyance. :)

And to Nick, usually the pride is associated with intelligence, but not winning or losing. For example, if you defeat me in a Go game, my pride is hurt. Why? deep down in my heart, what I am thinking is that, oh, Nick is smarter than I am. It is not LOSING itself that hurts my pride. :) And hoping that my opponent may make a blunder does not change the fact that, by intelligence, he has already defeated me regardless.

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