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Hex back on the Kurnik?

Public forum discussion.

#1 · Daniel Sepczuk

3 Dec 2017

Hi! To my surprise, today i received email from admin of polish site online games - Kurnik (english: www.playok.com).

He asked if I'm further interested and if I could collect players. So it's two question for you - who is willing to play sometimes on this site? And who could promote possible hex back on the Kurnik?

#2 · ypercube

3 Dec 2017

Will they promise to not remove Hex again, say for the next 20 years?

#3 · Daniel Sepczuk

3 Dec 2017

I hope we can play there for the next 20 years :)

#4 · ypercube

3 Dec 2017

Hope? I was thinking of something more.

The email you got sounds like a lame apology to me ("We were an ass, sorry to have kicked you out. Will you come back, please?")

#5 · Lukasz S.

3 Dec 2017

I also got the message - I'm in.

I'll promote it amongst my friends who used to play there.

#6 · Lukasz S.

3 Dec 2017

@ypercube it's probably because me and other people were constantly asking about bringing back the game to kurnik.pl and admin hopes the attendance will be bigger than it used to be.

#7 · Daniel Sepczuk

3 Dec 2017

Yper, let's start that we don't have a site to play hex online  (at least popular and playable). According to my information, hex has been removed due to small number of players and bad bahavior of some players.  Maybe they also decided that is doesn't pay them off? I don't think we should be offended but just gather together again

#8 · Daniel Sepczuk

3 Dec 2017

Lukasz S. I also wrote about bringing back few times. I think that we should try to mobilize and be happy that we have where to play in real time.

#10 · psikonauta

3 Dec 2017

Great news! I'd like to play more real-time Hex and there's not many people on BGA. I'm in too.

#12 · abandoned

3 Dec 2017

I'm absolutely in! Lazy, Arek and I have been trying to support "real-time" Hex matches on IGGC for the last few years. And i'll occasionally get on BGA as well (where i've actually gotten a few matches with Maciej interestingly enough). We've never been able to get those communities to the point where its possible to get matches with any regularity though. I've done some of the weekly tournaments on ludoteka, but it's very rare for other strong player's to show up, and it didn't feel right to beat up on casuals.

If we can get enough of a community on Kurnik to make regular training possible it would totally be worth the effort! That said, you guys should still come by IGGC every once in a while because the "rewind" function is good for analysis.

#13 · David J Bush

3 Dec 2017

It's the admin's site. He gets to do what he wants, offer Hex or stop offering Hex. Last I checked, this service was free to the public. If he offers Hex for 20 years or for 2 months, I would be grateful. Will there be automated tournaments again?

By the way, there are automated tournaments on Ludoteka already.

#14 · olympiq

3 Dec 2017

The game is now back on the PlayOK main page. Hopefully the other several games that were removed will pop up one after the other also. This was great news for the Hex community. If you want to analyze Hex games just visit a desired player's profile and there click on the games button to find all the games in replay move-by-move. This is great not only for analysis but also for finding possible programs and fake accounts.

#15 · David J Bush

4 Dec 2017

For me, on Playok, sometimes the swap button works, and sometimes it doesn't.

#17 · psikonauta

4 Dec 2017

You have to activate swap option before starting a game.

#20 · Daniel Sepczuk

13 Dec 2017

There are official tournaments: saturday 19:15 (9 rounds, 2 minutes per game, swap, 11) and saturday 21:15 (9r, 3m, swap,11).  Time zone UTC +1:00

#21 · ypercube

13 Dec 2017

Great. Tournaments are good.

#22 · Arek Kulczycki

13 Dec 2017

Great. We should ask for other boad size tournaments.. 2 min 11x11 seems scary :)

#23 · Daniel Sepczuk

13 Dec 2017

Arek, send e-mail to kurnik@kurnik about size 13.  I'll do the same

#24 · apetresc

14 Dec 2017

I'm so glad this exists, but I'm dismayed that 99% of games are created WITHOUT the swap rule. Isn't Hex super-imbalanced in black's favor without the swap rule? Especially on 11x11, which is again 99% of the games here. I suspect the black winrate on this server is 80+%.

#25 · Daniel Sepczuk

15 Dec 2017

It's change: on Saturday 21:15, 13x13, 7 minutes, 7 rounds.

#26 · lazyplayer

15 Dec 2017

Daniel, some more bugs to fix in Krunik:

The "Yes" button for "Undo"  is just below the "Resign" button...

There should be also smaller and larger boards, why not 2x2 or 27x27? Ask him... :)

#27 · Daniel Sepczuk

16 Dec 2017

Ok, I just informed kurnik webmaster. You can wrote to him on kurnik@kurnik.pl :)

#28 · abandoned

16 Dec 2017

Also the password recovery system is broken: you can't recover a password without an email address but you can't enter an email address without knowing your password.

#29 · Daniel Sepczuk

16 Dec 2017

I received the answer that this is the case in all games on Kurnik and there is no easy solution to improve it (about resign button)

#30 · abandoned

16 Dec 2017

what the fuck! it says i cant join the tournament because im a new user!? are you fucking kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what the hell do i have to do to not be a new user?!!!!!!!!!!

#31 · lazyplayer

16 Dec 2017

simpledeep, eheh, what's your nick there?

anyway, 2x2 was a joke, but i do really think 6x6 could be useful for newbies.

#32 · lazyplayer

16 Dec 2017

i also wanted to join but I didn't have a proper account... anyway timing is so fast, it's mostly a joke... you can't play 13x13 on 5m... at least I can't... :)

#33 · lazyplayer

16 Dec 2017

Also i see many newbies aren't aware of swap rule, it's just sad... most tables have no swap rule enabled...

#34 · Daniel Sepczuk

16 Dec 2017

Lazy, please note that not everyone has so much time to spend over two hours in one tournament.

Simpledeep, I create account on 03-12-2017 and I played today

#35 · abandoned

16 Dec 2017

If i had to guess, It's probably something like a minimum number of games played

and lazy, the short time is the perfect handicap, you master-level players will still win the vast majority of the time, but now the rest of us might have a better chance of getting lucky on rare occasions

i was really looking forward to a saturday afternoon hex tournament, hopefully i'll be eligible next week

#36 · ypercube

24 Oct 2018

What happened? I visited the site (kurnik aka playok) recently and the hex section looks abandoned.

No more than 3 or 4 players.

Where have all the Polish players gone?

#37 · abandoned

24 Oct 2018

I'm not polish but i went back to university this past march (online, so semesters start when it's convenient for me) and i felt like i had to avoid other game sites or i wouldn't get any schoolwork done.

#38 · HappyHippo

24 Oct 2018

I visited a few times last week and I did manage to have a few games with some reasonably good opponents. But I didn't see many people online.

#39 · Daniel Sepczuk

20 Nov 2018

Hi all hex players! What is going with you? Shame that almost nobody play on Kurnik. I hope it will change and I'll have someone to play with...

#40 · lguser

20 Nov 2018

around 2/3 of the time  there is someone who can play, unfortunately, some frequent players refuse to play with swap rule.

#41 · Force majeure

21 Nov 2018

I recently wanted to play real-time hex, but 3-4 times I looked at kurnik there were only about 2-3 people around, all of them newbies :/

#42 · lazyplayer

21 Nov 2018

I'll also come once in a while, persist people! :)

#43 · lazyplayer

21 Nov 2018

Force, just give handicap to newbies, and you'll get interesting games :P

#44 · Force majeure

29 Nov 2018

In the past kurnik had an option of making tournaments. Maybe it's a good idea to organize one, that would probably encourage some players.