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hex 5x5 opening move puzzle

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#1 · wccanard

23 Apr 2016

I've been working through the 5x5 openings. Here's one which is presumably well-known/easy for experts (I should say that I am just learning this stuff and I'm putting up puzzles which I have to think about myself -- it could well be the case that for experienced players these are all easy). Black has just played their opening move in a game of 5x5 hex. Should white swap?

Link to game on trmph [www.trmph.com]

#2 · wccanard

23 Apr 2016

I’ve been working through the 5x5 openings. Here’s one which is presumably well-known/easy for experts (I should say that I am just learning this stuff and I’m putting up puzzles which I have to think about myself — it could well be the case that for experienced players these are all easy). Black has just played their opening move in a game of 5x5 hex. Should white swap?

link to trmph [trmph.com]

#3 · wccanard

23 Apr 2016

This site is always so broken :-/ I can't figure out how to remove my first post, which has an incorrect link in it. There's an "x" to remove it, but it doesn't seem to work. I am now remembering why I left this site in the first place :-/

#4 · wccanard

23 Apr 2016

The random striking out in my above post just adds to the confusion.

#5 · ypercube

23 Apr 2016

I think White wins with the center move.

#6 · wccanard

23 Apr 2016

So after 1.a2 you don't swap and play 2.c3. Then what about 3.a4?

#8 · ypercube

23 Apr 2016

I go the numbers wrong ;)

a2 c3 a4 c2

#9 · wccanard

23 Apr 2016

Well done yper, it's all too easy for you :-) c3 is the only winning move after 1.a2.

What if black had played 1.a3 instead?

#10 · ypercube

23 Apr 2016

It is the only move but it could be delayed (and played after black tries to break the ladder at d4 or e4), eg.:

a2 c3  a4 a5  b4 b5  d4 c2

I'm not sure about 1.a3, I think it wins and should be swapped. I think there are results published (and gathered somewhere, all in one place) about which starting moves are winning (and should be swapped) and which are losing. There was a link posted in this forum, if memory doesn't betray me.

But I don't think it had winning moves for White (for the losing first Black moves)

#11 · ypercube

23 Apr 2016

Or 1.a3 2.b4 wins for White.

#12 · wccanard

23 Apr 2016

Yes! After 1.a3, 2.b4 is white's only winning response. The winning and losing moves for boards up to 9x9 are here:

Hexwiki Small Boards [hexwiki.amecy.com]

The reason I was playing a2 and a3 was that they were the only losing moves which were not obviously-losing.