User tournaments

I hope leela will soon be available for single rated games. Looking forward to beating it finally, however many attempts it will take ;]

I also would like to play another tournament. I would prefer not to have Leela since it feels like I am wasting my time, I don't even try. I'd rather lose miserably against a feeling human.

I'm happy to play in a tournament that includes bot(s).

Apetresc, can you open the tournament? Or maybe separate tournements, including / excluding bots, if it is a problem for someone?

I don't mind having bots, if that's what other players prefer. But I do want to play another tournament!

gzero trained a brand new model almost from scratch and has barely played any games, so I was hoping to enter him in a bot friendly tournament to see how it fairs against wide range of opponents.

I'd like to leave it up for rated games also, but it would be nice if there was an option for players to not match against bots if they don't want to.

If players can choose to avoid bots, that may make the process of determining a winner more complicated. There already exists the option for a human to resign on the first move to avoid a ratings hit. In an online turn based tournament, everyone plays everyone else. That's not going to change.

I would be very interested in a gzero versus Leela series of games BTW.

There is already a pretty fascinating series of games between leela and gzero. The original bunch was was very lopsided in favor of leela, but the last batch of 9 games were against a much better version of gzero and was pretty even. leela will get a new network in a day or 2 and I believe gzero is ready for a new set of games. Stay tuned!

@David - Sorry, I think I wasn't being clear.  I was proposing an option to avoid bots in *single rated games* only, not in championship, cup, infinity or user tournament.  An issue with resigning first move in single rated games, whether to 'avoid  a rating hit' or whatever reason, is that the current matching algorithm will now (re)start a new game for the same opponent.  I guess this doesn't make sense, since there isn't really a concept of bot on LG, and since there are many bots on this site don't append "_bot" to their name...  I dunno, I was just thinking aloud. :)

leela is now available in the waiting room. Looking forward to some games Arek! Also, gzero vs. leela should start any moment now.

Great, thanks!

Waiting room games don't seem to be starting... Looks like there are a LOT of people waiting for games.

I went through the list of games and did not see a single tournament start since March 30.

http://littlegolem.net/jsp/game/game.jsp?gid=2078577&nmove=10

This game is fascinating, especially 10.c12! It suicidally gives up the white bridge on top, however eventually white uses this bridge to seal the win!

Another interesting thing is that even though (IMO) the bots are tactical and endgame masters...

These two games are almost identical and have opposite results:

https://littlegolem.net/jsp/game/game.jsp?gid=2078808 and https://littlegolem.net/jsp/game/game.jsp?gid=2079441

In the first one 38.f7 looks very suspicious

In the second one gzero plays more natural 40.g10 but at last plays 44.f7 anyway so it may well be that f7 was not the problem...

My impression is that black might have a winning position after 40 moves, but leela wastes the opportunity with 41.j8. Maybe leela would have won again had it played 41.c11 like here.

Arek, how do you even dare to suggest improvements! :D Gzero is getting really strong!

It's fascinating how similar it's to high level human play, for example, b10 then white b12... anyway, i dislike b10 so early.

Waiting room games have started!

Arek, does h2 make sense to you?

game 2089652, move 6

Yes, absolutely. It already gives me huge problems on top. Now I need a perfect balance between securing the life of i5 and getting something from top left with c4. I will probably play 7.c4 but first tomorrow I look on threats to i5.

Apetresc, can you open the tournament? :)

Yes, will do now :)

Okay, the tournament is up at: https://littlegolem.net/ng/a/Ctrn.action?view=&dto.id=1121

I guess the popular vote was to allow bots again. Also, I have set it to 1 game per opponent this time, instead of 2, to hopefully keep the tournament a little shorter. Let me know if you preferred the old way. I wish there was (still?) a way to have multi-round user tournaments, but alas, it doesn't appear to be possible :(

(I should mention that the password for this one is the same as for the last one)

Come on, only 3 players???

I'm in! Come on, hexers, it's still only four players now.

Last  year's Christmas / New Year tournament was a great success. Maybe someone should create a new one? :P We can make some limitations regarding number of participants if you do not want to be flooded with games.

Hex or Havannah ? I can do it, rated, how many games?

I think hex is much more popular. I guess we can decide based on number of interested people. Last years 2x13 games was way too much I think :)

Ok so we have:

1. Force

2. Carroll

Count me in. Vote for both, hex and havannah.

Xmas tournaments scheduled for December the 7th and 2 games. I can always change the details.

Xmas hex

Xmas havannah

I've entered, i haven't played much - and I promise no bot assistence. :)

Last chance to sign up!

I tried to sign up for the hex tournament just now and got an error page with the message 'Problem accessing /ng/a/index.jsp'.  Trying from several devices/browsers got the same error.

Yes, I should have registered earlier.