dots.ch.29.1.1 predictions

@sghsal: For me, the INTERRESTING part of this discussion was always about "predicting the outcome of games", unlike what you wrote in your last post. So that's what I'll stick to.

As I see it, FairyTail realized he had discussed ongoing games in his first post, agreed that this was a bad thing, and apologized for it. We all make mistakes like this - no big deal as long as we realize it was an error. Do YOU also agree that his statement indeed WAS a discussion of ongoing games, and do YOU also see this as a bad thing? (Since it wasn't you who posted it, the part about apologizing obviously doesn't apply to you :-) ). I hope you do, despite your previous statements:

"I agree that an ongoing game should not be discussed, but to guess which player will win can’t be that bad"

and

"However, tell me what kind of information does a prediction about which player will win leak to the participants? Well, sure, the player who can supposedly win, may think a bit more about the current position (assumed he didn’t know a winning move before), but he still have to come up with a possible solution by himself."

Guessing what player will win BEFORE THE GAME STARTS is obviously no problem. But once it has started, such a "guess" is actually discussing the game.

Telling someone that they should win a particular game IS discussing the ongoing game. And it CAN affect the outcome. In many cases, the player still sees the game as undecided, or even think's he's losing. Telling him he has a winning position will make often MAKE him look hard enough at the game to find the winning move - a move he would not otherwise have found. At least to me, KNOWING I have a winning position sure is an advantage. I know that, since in D&B you sometimes can see that you have a guaranteed winning position without knowing the winning move, and in such situations, I thoroughly analyze the game until I (usually) find the winning move. I won't make that same effort in every position, because, obviously, I don't have the time for that.

It was not you who discussed ongoing games here. I just want to make sure we agree that such discussions is a bad thing, and that predicting the outcome of a game BASED ON THE SITUATION IN THE GAME is a bad thing (RoRoRo's predictions is NOT based on the situation in the game).

PS. I take it for granted that we can stay on issue, and avoid any further "smoke" :-)

There are of course 2 issues we can stay on happily, the second being to congratulate Geoff for his undisputable victory, as sghsal rightly mentions.

So let me be the second to say "Congrats Geoff!"

I admit I caused confusion by not committing myself to a definite opinion.
I agree that it's a bad thing to discuss a game in progress based on the current board situation. However, as far as I understood FairyTail's statement it only referred to the outcome of the whole championship. That's why I accused FatPhil of both confirming her statement and specifying it.
If it was indeed about any single remaining game I agree the statement shouldn't have been made.

I think, saying this, the four of us are in complete agreement now.

Sorry to disappoint u sghsal, but FatPhil has still long way to go before he gives up his childish behaviour. He has just resigned a game with me. Why am i not surprised. *rolls eyes*
(Even so, I would care less about insignificant players like him to resign.)

@FairyTail, children do not resign. Ever.

They do ypercube...if they dont get what they want, they pout and sulk over it (as in resigning). He did not even start the game, and just resigned. I would have understood if he resigned cause he knew he was losing a game, buts not the case here. I only hope he will act his age soon before he turns in 50s and realize how to act like an adult.

I didn't "get along" with any of the many previous incarnations of this particular misfit, I have no intention of pretending that I "get along" with this one.

And I certainly only intend to play games against those whom I respect. Fortunately there are more than enough of those to go round.

There is a difference between respecting someone as a person and by contrast as a player. In my opinion you could play these games, the more so as basically everyone is aware of your personal aversion to FairyTail these days, so there is no need to show it at any given opportunity.

Furthermore I think it's flogged to death now and the community is certainly not interested in the two of you devilling each other. If you don't want to get along well, it's your decision.

Now i think about it again, I don't mind FatPhil's childish attitude. If it means I get free wins from that newb, then I really don't mind.

Congrats Geoff!

I am going to add some fuel to the discussion. I had to wait until the next game was over.

You see here my opponent playing 14.L7. You might not see it, but anyone knowing gomoku would declare this a winning move, I considered resigning and I actually don't know why I didn't. I know I did before in simular situations

[game;id:1473046;move:14]

Rororo would not share the information, FairyTail would. The latter would be interference and game spoiling.

And yes, I won the game eventually

In gmk/c6 I have certainly cynically chosen which end of a line to block in a clearly lost position in order to create some faux threat and draw attention away from the opponent's killer move at the other end, and got away with it more than once. I suspect it's not uncommon in the land of noobs.

And even in D&B I've seen an opponent rated ~100 higher than me play the long chain sequence in the wrong order and throw away what should have been a guaranteed win.