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#105 · richyfourtytwo

22 Oct 2010

For the lack of rules on this site probably none were broken.

Nevertheless the experiment clearly should have been announced. If the author somehow feared that would have influenced the outcome he still could have told here after publishing the paper. That is the minimum I'd expect. (Thanking the site owner and the opponents in the acknowledgements would have been good style too, but good style seems too much to ask for.)

#106 · quartastella

22 Oct 2010

Following the link at note #7: "The human-computer team nature of the account has not been revealed, except to a couple of players ("Gregario", "nao"), who were asked to keep quiet the team aspect of sm9. This was to avoid complaints, and keep the experimental data as unbiased as possible."

#107 · Marius Halsor

22 Oct 2010

Such experiments should NOT be conducted without the consent if the involved players, in my opinion! Everyone should have the option of NOT being part of such experiments.

#108 · kingofthebesI

22 Oct 2010

Sadly no rules outside the tour about "cheating."

The site can't sue if there are no rules/terms of service being violated.

If someone cheated to win the tour, I guess you could feasibly argue that the site should be able to sue and get the value of the banner saying user A won tournament X at a minimum and maybe some other kind of compensation.

Most other site have a clear policy laying down the law. Rules against sockpuppetry/gangs, machine assistance and rating manipulation.

This experiment shows the need for such rules.

#109 · kingofthebesI

22 Oct 2010

Sadly no rules outside the tour about "cheating."

The site can't sue if there are no rules/terms of service being violated.

If someone cheated to win the tour, I guess you could feasibly argue that the site should be able to sue and get the value of the banner saying user A won tournament X at a minimum and maybe some other kind of compensation.

Most other site have a clear policy laying down the law. Rules against sockpuppetry/gangs, machine assistance and rating manipulation.

This experiment shows the need for such rules.

#110 · FatPhil

22 Oct 2010

I'm glad I wasn't put in the kind of position that Gregorio and nao were put in. I don't think we should be pointing fingers at them, they probably didn't know what to do with the knowledge, and wished that they didn't have it. I wonder why those two people were informed of the experiment at all - there seems no reason to leak that to anyone.

Again, a sloppy approach to "science".

#111 · Marius Halsor

22 Oct 2010

I'm just guessing here, but my guess is that Gregorio and nao probably accused sm9 of cheating in in-game messages, and sm9 admitted the facts to avoid accusations in the forum. But that's just my speculations.

#112 · quartastella

22 Oct 2010

"Yes, I am cheating, but could you please keep it quiet? I'm doing a scientific experiment."

#117 · Dvd Avins

23 Oct 2010

FYI: I'd wager that joerg and jot are the same person, though that's only a good conjecture, not known with certainty. And someone who'd cheat by having two accounts would be more likely to also cheat by using an engine, but again, that's only a conjecture. Time_Lost and j are definite Mahmouds.

#118 · quartastella

23 Oct 2010

I have heard that expression a lot: what's a "Mahmoud"?

#123 · Dvd Avins

23 Oct 2010

Mahmoud is the presumed name of a player who created lots and lots of IDs and used them to engage in Man in the Middle cheating. Most of his early names were variations of Mahmoud Mostafa Saad, which may be taken to be either his real name or an underlying fake name identity that he uses while engaging in cheating. This parasite now primarily uses an engine as his host, rather than other players.

#124 · Dvd Avins

23 Oct 2010

It's likely that this is the sad creature who can't play chess and has nothing better to do with his time than the electronic equivalent of knocking over the pieces of other people's chess games.

#125 · Ingo Althofer

23 Oct 2010

Hello,

ypercube was so kind to inform me about this discussion,

where also questions on me had been asked. The following

is meant to clarify my role in the process.

\* In February 2010, Darren Cook informed me

about his activities with sm9 and asked

if I would be willing to comment on a draft

of a paper he was writing on this.

\* I found it very interesting to see an experiment

over such a long period of time: sm9 started

early in 2002 and won its first 9x9 Championship

on Little Golem in Summer 2002; at that time 9x9 go

bots were really weak. Early in 2008 sm9 won its

second Championship (no. 17.1.1), now with the help of

Monte Carlo bots.

\* I did not start to discuss the question of ethics

of using computer help in go tournaments on LG, for

two reasons: On the one hand I myself had used computer

help here in nine 9x9-go games in the last few months

of 2008 (I wanted to get a coarse understanding about

the strength of Monte Carlo bots in go with long

thinking times). Observe: this was well before Darren

Cook contacted me. So, I had no moral right to throw

stones at him.

On the other hand, Darren had told me that his experiment

would not go on forever, but finish before the conference

of Kanazawa (which was at the end of September 2010);

and that he would inform the public about the true nature

of sm9.

Ingo.

#126 · quartastella

23 Oct 2010

"The experiment has been conducted solely on Little Golem, a turn based server, where players get 240 hours initially and then 36 hours per move. Multiple games are played simultaneously."

"On the one hand I myself had used computer

help here in nine 9x9-go games in the last few months

of 2008 (I wanted to get a coarse understanding about

the strength of Monte Carlo bots in go with long

thinking times)."

It's not a gaming site. It's a lab and we are the white mice. Let's just hope we get a nice piece of cheese at the end.

#127 · Aganju

23 Oct 2010

no, mice get the needle and tossed in the Bio-Hazard box. Cheese times are over.

#128 · YHW

23 Oct 2010

somar96: My last moves: In one game I exchanged the queen and in one another a bishop. The typical number of moves in my matches is 50. So my single last moves are 2% of the entire game. Each program would prefer such moves.

#129 · Aganju

24 Oct 2010

not sure what this last post refers to, but yes, most games have several obvious and forcing best moves in their flow; but that is equally true for OTB world championships. Whatever the threshold value is, I think being over it in the average proves something's fishy.

What the threshold is - I'm not sure. There is a lot of inconclusive information around.

#130 · Wakai Yushi

25 Oct 2010

“A sound plan makes us all heroes, the absence of a plan, idiots.

-- Alexander Kotov

The Battle Of Chess is the continue quest for the truth. Creating clarity about what is true for you, regardless of what someone else has told you, using your own eyes and inborn intelligence, is where your individuality will spring from. Understanding human nature and how people think is also a skill chess players use in their own behavior. They may dress in either of the manners discussed above, to fool the other players into thinking they are something they are not. They might play quick, so other players don't have time to think. They may play slow, to frustrate the other players. They might distract them with mindless chatter unrelated to the game. Everything they do is to keep the other players from noticing what they are really doing, put under psychological pressure in 'the name of science'? changing the other players perception of what is going on. They play off human nature and preconceptions to manipulate what other people think or perceive.

Does that mean that you never want to listen to what someone else has to say?

Of course not. It does mean that you check with your own experience and with your own intelligence and find out what is true for you.

NOT experiment be conducted without the consent if the involved players, Not blindly accepting ideas just because people around you have. The great chess-playing competition between Robots and humans over the last couple of decades has been between the regular action middle game of the best humans and the rule-based procedures of chess programs; slowly the programs are winning. If human brains were better at behavior-specific action, then that, I would guess, is how chess masters would now be playing. the experiment clearly should have been announced, I encourage the robots on...., though, just as long as they present themselves as robots.

#131 · Wakai Yushi

25 Oct 2010

Unfortunately, there was no "next step": they are trapped in subspace, trying to handle the constant motion and deafening noise there. They tried to take refuge in the C.H.E.S.S Systems of other races that are technologically advanced, hidden from both the expedition and the AI Rankas id #1, systems. They even tried AI Rankas id #1, systems, but left due to the unpleasantness. Eventually, RoRoRo broke free and was able to find her way to LG, as the city is the only real way to achieve ascension. She requests to be allowed to send her consciousness into a body, but LoCXcwvWA refuses. The notion of publically banning engine users would seem to act as a deterrent, but given that there are more than 100 engines on the market, and in the opening phase you could legally refer to

http://www.littlegolem.net/jsp/info/player_game_list.jsp?gtid=chess&plid= The "restricted view" model also has the advantage that if you fancied your chances one day to play a very strong correspondence entity, then the opportunity is there - just invite some 2500 to a game, and make it a different kind of game called "How many moves can I last before getting mated". Who can isolate, in the speech of an orator, his ideas, his feelings, his method? is his lambent clarity a feature of the thought that utters and creates? Or is it the effect of some special AI device, or architectonic, that he (consciously or unconsciously) employs?... but is it written!!

Now it could be objected here that a coded message unlike an uncoded message does not express anything on its own. It requires knowledge of the chess notation's codes. But in Reality there is no such thing as an uncoded message, there are only messages written in more familiar codes and messages written in less familiar codes. If the meaning of a message is to be revealed it must be pulled out of the code by some sort of mechanism or isomorphism. It may be difficult to discover the method by which the decoding the all chess board should be done; but once that method has been discovered the message becomes transparent as water. And if you wish chess life to be fun you've better focus on what you want and not on what you don't want. It might be a crazy idea, almost certainly is, and it might not be workable at all. Peripheral Perceptions,,,"Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:

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The joy of winning and the agony of defeat are two imposters that sometimes take away from the spirit of this wonderful game.

This experiment shows the need for such rules. The joy of winning and the agony of defeat are two imposters that sometimes take away from the spirit of this wonderful game.

A ghost who's managed to recreate himself in a gaming world threatens Melinda when she tries to determine who he is, and when a young girl is threatened by an online predator in the same game she and Eli find themselves in a race to find her before the unthinkable occurs. The point is to, hopefully, show, that it is possible to beat computers. "These records show that while the chamber boasts on ICC Internet Chess Club...Ref: (1) guest 301 (38); (2) guest 888; "There are a few times in your career when you come across an actor who you know was born to play a role, but that was the case as soon as I met .... LinuxKnight 2920 and NetCafe-JO 2887(34) on BLITZ..THAT'S RIGHT. I WON!! COMPUTER CAN BE DEFEAT..I DO AGREE WITH YOU 8X8 % =64 G. Do I have the right to known ALL my opponents?

"Let us say that a game may be continued in two ways: one of them is a beautiful tactical blow that gives rise to variations that don't yield to precise calculations; the other is clear positional pressure that leads to an end game with microscopic chances of victory. I would choose the latter without thinking twice. If the opponent offers keen play, I don't object; but in such cases I get less satisfaction, even if I win, than from a game conducted according to all the rules of strategy with its ruthless logic

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#132 · somar96

25 Oct 2010

could someone tell me the point of the last 2 posts in plain english?

#133 · Aganju

25 Oct 2010

the only points in Wakai Yushi's posts are on the i's.

#134 · Wakai Yushi

27 Oct 2010

Now I can get my two cents worth in. It's about time you guys got with the program!

#135 · Wakai Yushi

27 Oct 2010

Stop Whining... It's Free

I can't believe that so many people are complaining about this. It is just a format change... get over it. If you have to complain about it I would consider taking up a few new hobbies if you have so much free time on your hands that you have to complain about being bothered by a format.

#136 · ypercube

28 Oct 2010

somar96, when you return to civilization from the "uncivilized" Chalkidiki, please answer:

You may be a 2303 FIDE player. You claim so. Yet, we can't be sure about that, as you don't have your name here, only a nick which doesn't give us a clue about your real identity (name, country, etc.)

Then you attack some players like Dvd Avins and Henrik Sjol who have been playing years at Golem, with their real name, have met face to face with a few other players and have not been accused before for anything near cheating.

Your logic that "supports" the acclaimed cheating is flawed. You may be a 2303 FIDE chess player but that doesn't mean that you use logic coherently in other areas besides Chess. Chess players are well known for such behaviours. Take Fischer, Kasparov and many more as examples. It seems that the more you climb the FIDE Elo stair, the less logic is used for other things outside the chessboard :)

Flawed logic, example 1:

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somar96> Henrik Sjol is certainly a cheater. 450 point lower than me OTB, and 500 point higher here. 950 points difference. Impossible.

Well, possible. You and Henrik are example of this. Which makes it possible. We have find many reasons for such diferences:

You play much better OTB than OTI (Over The Internet).

Henrik may play much better OTI than OTB.

You may not give the attention to Golem games than you give the OTB ones.

Henrik may do (as I think he has stopped playing many OTB games).

You may be timing out too often.

He may not.

You may have played not enough games here to reach your "real" golem rating.

Henrik may have.

Flawed logic, example 2:

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somar96> 82% is over 22% above the human line...

somar96> Ypercube, the 82% being 22% over comes from an estabilished line of 60% found after analysing 30,000+ moves of World Champions OTB and CC pre-computer era.

30.000+ moves or World Champions OTB and CC pre-computer era play 60% compared to what the computer era computers calculated!

Would you find some analysis of how computer era champions compare to computers?

Is there a comparison for example of how Carlsen moves compare to Chess engines moves?

That may be of better value than the 60% that comes from (Alekhin?, Capablanca?, Kasparov?, Karpov? and who else knows moves) ...

Because with this logic, Archimedes took weeks to find the Pi in 20 decimal places while a kid of age 11 can find it in seconds with a calculator. And a few kids may find it even with paper and pen. That doesn't make them smarter than Archimedes.

#137 · MarleysGhost

28 Oct 2010

@ypercube, I have always been deeply impressed by the accomplishments of the ancient Greeks, but I was astonished to read that Archimedes found Pi to 20 decimal places. So I googled for it and all the sources (e.g. NOVA) say Archimedes calculated Pi to 3 decimal places, namely between 22/7 and 223/71.

#138 · quartastella

28 Oct 2010

"You play much better OTB than OTI (Over The Internet).

Henrik may play much better OTI than OTB."

I don't know either player, but this is the crux of the matter.

What makes a player better at OTI than OTB?

Is it just the issue of time?

Or is something else that is not allowed OTB?

Is the OTB player justified in calling the OTI player a cheater because he/she uses help that is not allowed OTB?

Or is the OTI player justified in making the claim that the OTB player does not understand the Internet environment?

What's the line between "getting help to improve" and cheating? Is there one?

#139 · ypercube

28 Oct 2010

MarleysGhost, you are right that Archimedes did calculate up to the values you mention, that Pi was

223/71 < Pi < 22/7

Beginning with a hexagon, he worked all the way up to a ploygon with 96 sides. But I think he mentions that this technique can be continued with polygons with increasing numebr of sides (192, 384, etc...), giving increasing accuracy to Pi.

So, he didn't actually calculate to 20 digits but he could have (in weeks or more :)

#140 · Dvd Avins

28 Oct 2010

Yper, I don't think Somar has accused me of cheating; he has made statements that if carried to their logical conclusion would make me a suspect, which I think demonstrates a flaw in his reasoning, but was not his intent. He has accused Henrik. I'd like to hear from Henrik, but I think it entirely possible that Henrik plays without assistance against honest players but uses an engine against players he is confident are themselves using one. And Somar, rash as he is, fails to consider that distinction (though Wakai, in a rare moment of internal clarity to go with his outward obfuscation, did point it out).

As for the purported 2300+ rating, I'm skeptical until a known 2300+ player contacts us and says he is Somar.

#141 · Dvd Avins

28 Oct 2010

And I don't have Somar's certainty about YWH being a Mahmoud incarnation, but I've long wondered.

#142 · Wakai Yushi

29 Oct 2010

I have no religion, religion requires faith I require evidence.

IM Kacper Piorun, Poland, born 24 November 1991. Now rated 2489, http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?...

Have you read the Bible somar? Or should i said scottygr8

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Not only chess champions but also scientists and cultural scholars have to jump through hoops to get the media attention that nowadays is indispensable to the funding of their work. The team that did the excavations in Butrint got plenty of media attention after finding their "chess piece". As I said, you cannot be sure. The thing might be what they claim it to be. I certainly do not want to pass as an expert on chess history, but it seems to me that chess has been taken for a ride."

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scottygr8 When the box opens

You may be a 2303 FIDE player. You claim so. Yet, we can't be sure about that, as you don't have your name here, only a nick which doesn't give us a clue about your real identity (name, country, etc.) Please Robot who ever you are come forward and identified yourself. I don't want nobody or a robot to steal my HALLOWEEN candies..OR MY CLOCK"

Has anyone noticed that light always enters or overcomes the darkness?

The same thing happens when you turn on a lamp or light a match in total

darkness. This is always the case - darkness has no power

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#144 · Greck

29 Oct 2010

I'm deeply impressed by the mathematics of Archimedes and some other Greek philisophers.... they didn't even have a comfortable numerical system (like "our" wonderful positional system... and by "our" i mean indian).

just impressive!

#146 · somar96

1 Nov 2010

Yes, that's me... you say you don't believe me? I am just back from World Championships. I scored 7 out of 11 and I got 19th place, worse than I expected I have to admit. And I didn't log to LG for those 2 weeks except ~8 days ago when I went on for a while so I don't time out. And all those posted nicks are mine too, but they are mostly sites where I don't have many games, sometimes 0, sometimes 5 etc., here I have 190. And the chesshere stats say I am a premium member, which I am not from what I recall! :-)

I don't know scottygr8, and I don't see why I would be him. Can someone tell him?

I didn't accuse Dvd avins, he was clrealy human in our game played some 3 weeks before when I won in less than 30 moves (I think). About Henrik Sjol - he may be using an engine just against cheaters, I don't say no. But as all the championship 1 players are cheatres, he uses it all the time! :-)

Please also tell me what I am yet to answer.

#147 · somar96

1 Nov 2010

oh and yes I read the Bible every day

#148 · Carroll

1 Nov 2010

Impressive!

Can I point to this page Jan Timman where this young champion won against an older champion (bottom of page).

#149 · Greck

1 Nov 2010

Kacper, don't even bother reading wakai's posts ;o)

#150 · somar96

1 Nov 2010

I don't, just when I see a shorter line/sentence I read it. or if some word catches my eye

#152 · quartastella

1 Nov 2010

Kacper = somar96

And judging from his credentials I would say he knows what he's talking about.

#153 · FatPhil

1 Nov 2010

Yes and no. I'm 100% sure somar96 is Kacper, and never had any doubt that he was both a highly skilled chess player and prodigiously young (#1 under-14 in Poland, that deserves some respect). However, I don't think he has enough experience of people and how people do things to be able to evaluate many situations as well as he evaluates chess board positions. It's too easy to jump to conclusions given limited evidence. You only know what your margins of error are after you've mucked up a few times.

#154 · Wakai Yushi

1 Nov 2010

"[An] honest disagreement [can be] a good sign of chess progress." --me

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We are usually not as trapped in a yes-no, win-lose situation as we think. Start with the seed choices and see if there are in fact more options. me

"I think that only daring speculation can lead us further and not accumulation of facts."

Henrik Sjol is certainly a cheater. 450 point lower than me OTB, and 500 point higher here. 950 points difference. Possible...!? "The trouble with chess isn't that there is no answer, it's that there are so many answers. "Everything in chess that irritates you about others can lead you to an understanding of yourself." --you

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#155 · quartastella

1 Nov 2010

When somar96 started this thread I was very skeptical of what he was saying. I became more interested when Aganju went through his simulations and posted those numbers. At that time I was playing a game against one of those people in the list and I started talking to him about somar96's allegations. It was an eye opening experience and it fully vindicated somar96's statements.

It turns out that people like me who are playing games al LG without the use of software, opening databases, bots, books, or extra boards are actually ruining the experience for those players who are using this site "to learn the game."

Personally I have decided to start reducing the number of games I play here and limit myself to championships and an occasional tournament here and there. Since I play in all lower level championships (in many cases third, fourth, and fifth level) I don't risk ruining the experience for anyone who is here "to learn the game."

I'm also very thankful to somar96 for starting this thread and Aganju for crunching those numbers.

#156 · Wakai Yushi

2 Nov 2010

An old story might tell you some of the mindset you ought to apply when studying martial arts:

A young boy traveled across Japan to the school of a famous martial artist. When he arrived at the dojo he was given an audience by the Sensei"What do you wish from me?" the master asked. "I wish to be your student and become the finest kareteka in the land," the boy replied. "How long must I study?" "Ten years at least," the master answered. "Ten years is a long time," said the boy. "What if I studied twice as hard as all your other students?" "Twenty years," replied the master. "Twenty years! What if I practice day and night with all my effort?" "Thirty years," was the master's reply. "How is it that each time I say I will work harder, you tell me that it will take longer?" the boy asked. "The answer is clear. When one eye is fixed upon your destination, there is only one eye left with which to find the Way."

How this related to chess: cut & paste say Gregorio

These two types have the characters of truth-seekers. In science there is a corresponding division in the theoretical physicists and the practical lab-physicists.

#157 · Wakai Yushi

2 Nov 2010

Well I like chess better than Go, but i am using Go as awarenes in chess thanks to LG and the go prayers that show me and they manages To convence me to it, Wakai Yushi = Andres Villasante , wakai was my son, before he went to Iraq War, Do I really have 85% wins. As corr. chess has taken away my complete spare time in the last years. Wakai Yushi = Andres. I have beaten and drawn many cheaters, mostly all those Mahmoud accounts. But GO is not enough, I need a micro-ship transplants in my old brain, and I am almost blind in both eyes, And I don't want to compete against your computer either. You only know what your margins of error are after you've mucked up a few times. And I also presently I am not active in any game to limit my future games to a minimum as corr. chess has taken away my complete spare time in the last years. but i am just over 60 years old chess player, that was my escape ...It can't go on like this. We stand on the heads and shoulders of previous generations of ideologies. The evolution of style is a path of generalization and later finding useful exceptions.

Chess is more about finding the truth in positions - and an 'It all depends' attitude to positions - where anything goes if it works. And with computers, the truth and greater resources of the game are only just starting to be revealed. That's why the concretist Kasparov is called "the monster with a thousand eyes" - he sees every variation. But the Schools of chess lay a positional and intuitive foundation for the game. The Internet has spawned a new way of playing chess with thousands of enthusiasts playing online. Excellent sites like www.chessworld.net have emerged. Innovations spread very quickly due to the game scores each week being collated by news sites like For OTB chess research, Computers have enable players to find amazing new resources and ideas in the openings, and make game preparation much more detailed than before. When we are preparing the stew called a specific style of a specific chess art, joyful to prepare implies that we must constantly be measuring our means against our ends. Your chess style has no art if it is just a hodgepodge of errant principles and movements but does not take you where you want to go. Chess arts differ because of intended emphases. If your stew is supposed to taste like self-defense, your recipe is serviceable only if it will produce that taste. If your stew is supposed to taste like aerobic internet conditioning, the formula for putting it together must take this as its highest priority. Post-mortem analysis with engines can help find the slightest tactical inaccuracies. Our focus should be on what I want to call differential technological development: trying to retard the implementation of dangerous technologies and accelerate implementation of beneficial technologies, especially those that ameliorate the hazards posed by other technologies. Although it's easy to think of evolution as leading from simple to more complex life forms, we should not uncritically assume that this is always so. It is true that here on Earth, simple replicators have evolved to human beings (among other things), but because of an observation selection effect the evidential value of this single data point is very limited (more on this in the section on estimating the probability of existential risks). STYLE OF THE ART, ART OF THE STYLE Everyone has his/her own way to cook a stew--his own special spices, her own preference of ingredients, his individual method of applying heat, her favorite cooking utensil, his temperature, her timing, etc. This is style. The elements of style are usually the same, but the specifics vary. The style of the art of making stew is not as important as the stew itself. We don't currently see much evolutionary development in the human species. This is because biological evolution operates on a time-scale of many generations, not because it doesn't occur any longer Biological human evolution is slow primarily because of the slowness of human reproduction (with a minimum generational lag of about one and a half decade). If one encounters a concretistic player one is often struck by his clear-sightedness and technical efficiency. The concretist takes a firm grip on the immediate problems of the position and he seldom blunders. The concretistic player, on the other hand, wants to solve the problems of the position by finding the correct concrete variations. He could also be called the technical type. It was an eye opening experience and it fully vindicated somar96's statements.

#158 · somar96

2 Nov 2010

Wakai, what is your point? I really would like to answer you but I got stuck on the 3rd sentence.

I would be happy if all those mahmoud accounts were banned and not allowed to come back somehow, it would stop MCs from getting spoiled, which would also make more people play in it. Out of 4 opponents there are either 1 or 2 mahmouds, so I don't play there at all. I have also started resigning against cheaters, so hopefully my rating will go up.

#159 · MarleysGhost

2 Nov 2010

Someone could organize a private tournament and give the password only to known non-cheaters (if there are any), for Chess, Reversi, and whatever other games are subject to engines, MitM and/or aliases.

#160 · wanderer_bot

2 Nov 2010

I have a theory. Wakai is a bot. Input to the bot includes a few key words (e.g., chess, go, biology) and a length (e.g., 500 words) and output is as seen above. Remember Eliza, anybody? :)

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