Player doesn't accept result

In Go, if both players have passed, the score is counted. Now one player doesn't accept that his stones are death. In real life we would continue and and I could remove his stones. Here I can't continue a game, if both players have passed. So what to do?

i asked about this in the go forum here

Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a way to resolve score disputes

I think you can just continue playing. Fred and I are in the counting-stage now in our game. I'll use that game to test and get back on this.

cool, it worked.

klaashaas just clicked on the board as you would for a normal move during scoring and the game carried on.

tnx, I'll try it.

What happens with the points? If I proof the death stones are death, I may use one more stone than my opponent and loose a point (even a game) like this.

Not as long as your opponent plays first. As long as both places stones inside your area score is not affected.

But that is exactly the problem - should you add stones to convince your opponent his stones are dead after both have passed and disagree about the score?

Of course not. But you never HAVE to play inside own territory. You either pass or answer. I am sure any conflict can be solved in the forum. Unless your opponnent is of the kind that will place stones until there are no legal moves left:(

Tore, I think you're not catching the situation Schwenker described.

let's just hope that if the score is so close that 1 point will make a difference between win or lose, both players are strong enough to know when a group is dead or alive :)

It seems to me that to resolve the situation you'd do what you do in real life:

1. Player #1 passes

2. Player #2 passes

3. Disagreement about dead stones

4. Player #1 places a stone... and play resumes until 2 consecutive passes again

Wouldn't this work?

In OTB play, the rule is that stones placed after both sides pass do not affect the score, except in that they demonstrate the life and death of groups that were in place before the passes. Unfortunately, the software that scores games here (and elsewhere on line) doesn't know that, so the score changes with the additional stones.

The only resolution that I know of is to bring in a player that both sides accept as an arbitrator. If a player is both too weak and too obstinate to agree on an arbitrator's result, then Richard may need to set the game result manually. I believe he has said (under somewhat different circumstances) that he is willing to do that when necessary.

Hi Dvd,

What is OTB? (Besides off-track betting. ;))

If I understand correctly what you're saying, play would just continue normally here on LG if restarted after two passes. And if so, then where's the problem? Play would just continue until it became apparent to both players which stones were really dead. (Or, until the dead stones were actually captured.)

Hi Rex, I just moved in our game.

What is OTB? (Besides off-track betting. ;))

A chess term for Over The Board (as opposed to Correspondance).

play would just continue normally here on LG if restarted after two passes. And if so, then where's the problem?

Suppose you're winning by 0.5 points by your count, it's your turn, and there's a disagreement about the life of some groups. If you play, your opponent can concede the disputed area, pass, and win because of the stone you placed.

In general, the problem is that placing stones suptracts from your score (as far as the scoring software on this site is concerned).

Suppose you're winning by 0.5 points by your count, it's your turn, and there's a disagreement about the life of some groups. If you play, your opponent can concede the disputed area, pass, and win because of the stone you placed.

Ah yes, now I understand. I guess I'd only thought of even moves between the players.

Thanks for the explanation!

Not exactly. If it will such situation you will be able to play and kill alien stones - and than accept pass of opponent - if he will not put stones, now he will lose territory.

And if amount needed to kill opponent stones are bigger than need opponent to big your stones.... In this case you will lose..

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