Tour de Little Golem discussion

Finally we don't have to wonder about the correct pronounciation of Continuous Completathlon any more. The name has changed and so has the website location:

Info about the Tour de Little Golem

For the records: I made 2 slight changes to the rules:

- Points wil be divided between players in cases of a tie. Reason: not giving an incentive for quick draws in 2 player finals.

- Ranking points stay valid until the same game's tournament in the next cicle is FINISHED (as opposed to started). Reason: with the original version there might never be a moment at which the ranking is actually reflecting results of all games. That's in direct contradiction to the spirit of the whole thing.

Last chance to vote for the 2nd round game today. I'll close that poll tomorrow.

A poll for the 3rd round will start immediatly after that. That one will run until the 2nd round (shall we say stage from now on?) starts. And so on ... This way we'll always know one month in advance what game will come next.

the differents tournaments (go9 , and the other game)

are independents??

can i play only the 2nd tournament in july?

have you read the info?

Einstein will be the second stage. It's open for registration already. I'll start the 3rd stage poll later today. (Real live interference right now ...)

@KPT: You can play as many or as few stages as you like. Very unlike the Tour de France. Also we don't have doping tests yet. ;-)

te parece q la he leido , gregorio??

@Richy : thankz

Rather than make a campaign speech in the voting thread, I suggest here Hex 19 as the next Tour game. It's nice and long, maybe as long as Go 19, for those who want a long-lasting game over the summer.

The Tour started out with a Go variant, so it's too soon to have another one. Spreading the Go variants out in the Tour "stages" seems like a good idea to me, playing Go as every 7th stage on average. The 19 non-Go games could be distributed as follows: Go19 could be followed by 8 non-Go stages, Go 13 by 6, and Go 9 followed by 5 non-Go stages.

The first group has completed the first round of Go 9x9. Congrats to Peter Koning!

From now on the standings can be seen on the website I linked to in the first message of this thread. I do check the tournament groups from time to time, but still I ask you to send me a private message or post here when a tournament group has finished, so I can update the results.

We now have 50 registered players for the second stage (Einstein). If I'm not mistaken that is exactly the minimum number that leads to a 3 round tournament.

There is a fair amount of luck in Einstein (as can be told by my recent success in the championship), so probably all of us have the chance to take over the lead after stage 2. Well, for many of us, myself included, that certainly is the last chance ever.

3 days left for registering for the 2nd stage (Einstein, currently 55 players) and for voting in the 3rd stage poll.

Dvonn is leading now.

57 players, wow!

The Einstein tournament has started with 58 players, Dvonn will be the next stage and is open for registration and the poll for the 4th stage has started.

Meanwhile we have a 2nd finalist for the 1st stage: Johubber

Last days for 3rd stage registration and 4th stage poll.

a tough battle between hex-19 and soccer at the poll !

The 3rd stage (DVONN) has started with 38 players. The poll for the 5th round has started too and I'll prepare the 4th round StreetSoccer tournament in a minute.

In the first stage we have 3 finalists so far: Ehtelenolwe, Peter Koning and Johubber.

I'll be on holiday for the next 2 weeks, I have no idea if I'll have internet access there and even if I have I might not want to use it. So don't expect any website updates (and moves in my games) during that period. Well, probably noone woud have noticed anyway. After all what's 2 weeks in the context of this tournament?

You can register for StreetSoccer (4th stage) here.

I think I am getting too many games. What do you think of starting new stages at a slower pace, maybe every second month?

40 is too many games? Try 240 ...

I wouldn't... ;)

You don't have to register for the next round mungo---isn't that exactly the point? There will probably be people who want to play more games than you so they will be happy with the faster rate and you can just occasionally skip rounds.

I would prefer to go faster rather than slower as wel. And like some suggested you can choose not to play rounds.

Oh no! Not faster please. It is already fast enough with once per month.

Skipping rounds is not so nice, since of course the fun thing with the whole Tour is to be able to participate in all rounds. Therefore I think that there should be a pace which fits many. I think once per month is fine, slower would be ok as well, faster would not be ok.

Any change would not be ok.

"One stage per month" was the initial idea of Rickies initiative. Anyone can join more tournaments or even create own tournaments.

If s.o. needs to skip some stage but wants to have "comparable" (i.e. better) scores, he can do so and publish his own scoring method and result ;)

Go9x9 group 1.1 is finished

so you can update the scores

And the info at the registration page for StreetSoccer needs correction. It's 4th stage, not 2nd.

richy42, please update when you return from vacation.

To be clear I agree that no change of pace is the best. I only wanted to point out that if there would be a discussion about the pace I would support the faster rather than the slower.

I'm back (since sunday actually) and have finally managed to reach 'Games where it is your turn [0]' again. So I had time for updating tour stuff now. Thanks for pointing out the stupid copy and past error with the stage number. I have updated the results page which now reflects the standings after 5 of 6 frist round groups of stage 1 (Go9) have finished. The last group has only one game left, so the final will probably start soon. The first results from stage 2 will also come in soon. Meanwhile we are steering toward a new record in participation: so far 66 players have registered for StreetSoccer.

About the pace discussion: I'm sure we can find plenty of good reasons for a slower pace as well as for a quicker one. But even if one outscores the other I'll stick with the current pace for a very simple reason: this is what has been announced and what the players who have registered for the stages so far expect.

I agree fully.

another suggestion.

Since it is called 'Tour de Little Golem', it might be interesting to work be different standings and 'jerseys'

The yellow jersey would be the main jersey where you use the actual points as announced in the very beginning.

For the green jersey I would suggest to use the order in which players end, and then give best 30 or so points: the winner of the final group 30 then 29 and so on. Ties can be treated with the points the last would get (so reaching a next round would give a small extra bonus (opposed to the yellow where it gives a big extra bonus))

For instance: 3 second round groups: with results

Final group: 1,2,3

group 2.1: 1,2,3,4,5,6

group 2.2: 1,2,3,4,4,6

group 2.3: 1,2,3,3,5,6

points: 30,29,28

group 2.1: (see final),25,21,18,16,13

group 2.2: (see final),25,21,18,18,13

group 2.3: (see final),25,21,21,16,13

Or for the second group you could take all points and rank them, this gives an advantage to the groups with more players, (both points and son) but this is even less advantage than the disadvantage they have to qualify.

polka dots:

you might think of something similar but now the games are rathed:

example;

go, wyps, havannah, hex19: hors catégory

chess,... : 1st cat

go13, rev, ...:2nd cat

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Of course the discussion of which are in which would be very harsh, even painful if one takes it personal.

Last calls for registering for StreetSoccer (72 players so far) and for the 5th stage poll.

@Hjallti: In principle I like the idea of different jerseys. But I think the current point scheme is very close to your green jersey already. Too close to make it interesting, I think.

My recent go games all felt a lot like uphill battles, so declaring go as a max category climb sounds very reasonable to me! ;-)

What's the purpose of a yellow jersey ( I guess that's the "maillot jaune" ) without kisses by young ladies ( and tv broadcasts )?

Group 7 has finished the first round of stage 2 (Einstein). Winner: Marius Rombout van Riemsdijk. This is now included in the standings. In Go9 there is just one game open in round 1, so the final will start soon.

@richy I don't think the green and yellow would be that close. If I see it right the difference of a first and second spot would be much more in the official standing than 1 point.

I tried now some calculations to proof my point but it seems I might be mistaken.

At the standings page it would be nice to have columns about the Origin (which games were the points for) of the points. So something like:

name / total points / go 9 / Einstein / ...

It would be a big matrix in the end... 100+ x 22 at least. might be better to have it clickable on the standings page rather than actually there.. I like the idea though

I was thinking along similar lines. I'll think about it some more and will probably come up with something eventually, but I don't promise when.

Although the 4th stage hasn't started yet (after all it should have) I have closed the poll for the 5th and opened the one for the 6th stage. The Breakthrough tournament is open for registration.

/putting aside organiser hat/

/putting on participant hat/

In the outstanding games we have 3 that come in 2 flavours. Hex, Reversi and Go. To avoid having a cluster of those at the end we should start playing a couple of those in the next stages. Since there were a few votes for Hex 19 in the last polls i choose that one to advirtise for. So lets vote for Hex 19!

After Go9 first round is done, we can have a Go tournament again.

Go tournaments (the "real" Go 19) take even longer than Hex 19. So it should start sooner.

So lets vote for Go 19!

We have a single leader at the moment: Looser

What a miserable failure to justify his/her nickname! ;-)

"Looser" must be as opposed to "tighter", since "loser" would be the opposite of "winner"...

Oh yes, you are right of course! And there are a couple of games here where playing loose connections instead of tight ones is indeed good strategy. My English obviously isn't much better than my playing strength in most of the games on lg. ;-(

The link 'open for registration' on the webpage sends me to streetsoccer rather than breakthrough at the moment.

Copy and paste makes our lives so much easier ... one should think. Thanks, I'll correct that as soon as I'm home.

klaashaas has secured 7 more points. He'll get to No-1 when all the games in his (EinStein) group finish.

Another thing about the info page. It would be good to have the golem-id next to each player's name. Some change their name quite often and this might help you with organizing the results faster (and without errors).

Oh, I do save the results with the player ID! I just don't show it (yet). I'm playing with an autogeneration tool for the website, but it may take some time until it's ready. (Not because it's so complicated, just because I don't know when I'll find the time to do it.) When it's ready it'll have a separate page for each player too.