komi or swapping Amazons forum

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komi or swapping
  • Tim Shih at 2006-01-18 Hope that LG will soon account for the advantage of the first-move player by giving the 2nd-move player 1.5 points (I think 1.5 is a fair number :)) or by using the swap option.

    We already used the swap for Hex and Twixt. There is no reason why we cannot do the same for Amazons.
  • Tasmanian Devil at 2006-01-18

    What does it mean to get 1.5 points in Amazons? One can allow the second player to pass 1 or 2 times when he can no longer move, but 1.5 times? ;-)

  • Tim Shih at 2006-01-18 I was trying to say: after the 2nd-move player (black) finishes playing his last move, if 2 empty squares remain in the white player’s territory, white wins. If only 1 remains in the white’s territory, black wins.

    There must be a better way of saying this outcome. :)

    Even so, I still prefer to play white. So, I tend to think that perhaps 1.5 pts are not enough.
  • ypercube ★ at 2006-01-18

    Your intepretation, Tim, is like 1 pass in Taz’s interpretation. Black moves (last available), White moves, Black passes, White can move win (no move, he loses).
    Perhaps 2 passes would make the game more balanced, but who knows?

  • Tasmanian Devil at 2006-01-18

    Allowing black to pass once has exactly the effect you describe.

  • Michael Engels at 2006-01-25

    Funny, last time i made a statistic about that game on littlegolem, black won more games than white. Same holds true on another website where you can play Amazons:
    White won 2111 (49.44 %)
    Black won 2124 (49.75 %)

    I don’t see any need to change the current rules.

  • Bill Collins at 2006-03-14

    In chess, white is said to have the advantage and there has never been any compesation for that and never will be, just have to find a little different stradigy and play better defense!

  • tasuki at 2006-05-16

    Well dude, that’s one of the reasons why chess sucks. ;-)

    Michael: I am not really sure where you got the numbers, shouldn’t it be white 2111 (49.84%) and black 2124 (50.15%) ? Also, how can the sum be less then 100% while draws are impossible in amazons?

    As for the komi for amazons, my level of play isn’t high enough to see any difference so I can’t tell (but think that I personally don’t need it).

  • Bill Collins at 2006-05-20

    Draws in Amazons are too possible 50 squares to 50.

  • Gregorlo at 2006-05-20

    as the winner is the last player able to move, draws are imposssible.

  • Bill Collins at 2006-05-21

    oh ya, sorry

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