Help with analysis TWIXT PP

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Help with analysis
  • Galdian at 2019-03-25

    Hi everyone,

    sometimes I really hate this game ;) 

    http://twixt-commentator.duckdns.org/game/2061442

    I feel, that after move 27 I had a won position, but terribly lost. My two questions:

    1) Am I right, that I should win after move 27? (if not, what was the mistakes I made earlier?)
    2) What exactly went wrong after move 27? 


  • David J Bush at 2019-03-26

    Alan and I have posted analysis. We both agree you are right, you were winning.

  • Galdian at 2019-03-26

    Thank you both for the detailed analysis, it’s very helpful! :)

  • Florian Jamain at 2019-03-27

    What I just wanna say is that after move 27, you should not consider that you are in a winning position. You seem good cause of your black triangle on the bottom, you can use it to join the right side for sure but... If you cannot compute a win at this point, maybe you are in a losing position. It’s calculation now, too late for strategic point so... You need to compute something or it’s lost.

    When I see this position, my thought is, black seems okay but I don’t know, I need to study this to check if he can join the right side or not. 

  • Galdian at 2019-03-27

    Thanks, of course as long, as one can’t prove, that it is a winning position, it is only a matter of “feeling”. The case is, that I have this winning feeling quite often in TwixTPP and still losing many such games, which leads to two possible solutions:

    1) my feeling is wrong – so I’ve played badly up to this point (I’m bad at the opening phase);
    2) my feeling is right – so I’ve played badly after this point (I’m bad at the ending phase).
    Of course there is another explanation, that I am bad at each phase of the game ;)

    It’s quite important for me to understand, at which part of the game I am (more or less) good, and at which part I am bad.

  • Florian Jamain at 2019-03-27

    I guess a “feeling” is a feeling, no more.

    It’s quite normal to imagine that black is probably winning after move 27 but I’m really not sure about that, I need to compute it. 

    Don’t imagine that you are effectively winning, you did not compute the win so just say to yourself I’m winning at 65%. 

    Sometimes in TwixT I’m saying the contrary to myself, I’m clearly losing this, that’s over, but I’m still trying to fond something and it happens many times that I arrive to: Oh god, what about this move, it’s just saving all the position no? 

  • David J Bush at 2019-03-31

    Yes, very much the same thing happens with me. Twixt can be a brutally honest mirror for us to examine our flaws. But at least we have a clear way to use that mirror, by examining the moves to see where we went wrong. WHY we went wrong might not be so easy to discover, but we have a starting point. And this also holds the promise that we can continue to improve. The game never becomes completely opaque, at least not for me.

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