Help with analysis TWIXT PP
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Galdian at 2019-03-25
sometimes I really hate this game ;)
I feel, that after move 27 I had a won position, but terribly lost. My two questions:
1) Am I right, that I should win after move 27? (if not, what was the mistakes I made earlier?)
2) What exactly went wrong after move 27?
David J Bush at 2019-03-26
Alan and I have posted analysis. We both agree you are right, you were winning.
Galdian at 2019-03-26
Thank you both for the detailed analysis, it’s very helpful! :)
Florian Jamain at 2019-03-27
What I just wanna say is that after move 27, you should not consider that you are in a winning position. You seem good cause of your black triangle on the bottom, you can use it to join the right side for sure but... If you cannot compute a win at this point, maybe you are in a losing position. It’s calculation now, too late for strategic point so... You need to compute something or it’s lost.
When I see this position, my thought is, black seems okay but I don’t know, I need to study this to check if he can join the right side or not.
Galdian at 2019-03-27
Thanks, of course as long, as one can’t prove, that it is a winning position, it is only a matter of “feeling”. The case is, that I have this winning feeling quite often in TwixTPP and still losing many such games, which leads to two possible solutions:
1) my feeling is wrong – so I’ve played badly up to this point (I’m bad at the opening phase);
2) my feeling is right – so I’ve played badly after this point (I’m bad at the ending phase).
Of course there is another explanation, that I am bad at each phase of the game ;)
It’s quite important for me to understand, at which part of the game I am (more or less) good, and at which part I am bad.
Florian Jamain at 2019-03-27
I guess a “feeling” is a feeling, no more.
It’s quite normal to imagine that black is probably winning after move 27 but I’m really not sure about that, I need to compute it.
Don’t imagine that you are effectively winning, you did not compute the win so just say to yourself I’m winning at 65%.
Sometimes in TwixT I’m saying the contrary to myself, I’m clearly losing this, that’s over, but I’m still trying to fond something and it happens many times that I arrive to: Oh god, what about this move, it’s just saving all the position no?
David J Bush at 2019-03-31
Yes, very much the same thing happens with me. Twixt can be a brutally honest mirror for us to examine our flaws. But at least we have a clear way to use that mirror, by examining the moves to see where we went wrong. WHY we went wrong might not be so easy to discover, but we have a starting point. And this also holds the promise that we can continue to improve. The game never becomes completely opaque, at least not for me.