In this period of acid discussions I'd like to propose a challenge.

As I can see, after the very first places, Italy and Nederland are really dominating the LG rating (unfortunately besides Shaman we don't dominate Othello in real life). What about a challenge? Would players accept a round robin tournament to see who will win between Italy and Nederland?

The current rating lists:

me Italy

Jan C. De Graaf Nederland

Alkosan Nederland

Dom Italy

alessandro Italy

pedro Italy

Robin Nederland

Nicky Nederland

klaashaas Nederland

Roel Nederland

erwin vd berg Nederland

Smaughster Nederland

Arnoud Meijer Nederland

Claudio Signorini Italy

Anja Nederland

ercolatena Italy

Who does accept the challenge?

Ofcourse i accept! :)

I'm in. Will we play 8x8 or 10x10? Or both?

This reminds me of the (friendly) team match between Italy and the Netherlands played prior to the WOC 2002 in a bar in Amsterdam. Both me and alkosan were in the Dutch team. I don't remember the exact score (anyone does?), but I remember the Dutch won :-) Time for revanche, I'de say!

Of course I do :)

But you forget someone!

Leon Kamphuis from the Netherlands

and Bas (in 't zand) from the Netherlands

There is also fabio from Italy.

nice idea! but for my oppinion only 8x8.

I think it's nice idea, but Beppi gives me too much credit i don't think i belong in that list.

It sounds good.

I would :p (but I'm Belgian!)

Jeroen, myself and Michael (the 3 highest placed Belgians)will challange somehow someway an smaller country ;-)

I could see if I can find some other Italian player, if you like, so that the tournament will be more interesting 8-) See you in a few days!! Beppi.

“Jeroen, myself and Michael (the 3 highest placed Belgians)will challange somehow someway an smaller country ;-)”

are there more belgum peoples that play that game?? :O :p ;)

14 with an FFO rating (up to now)

we are preparing an take over of the duthc federation :p

No, we're growing bit by bit and more and more (new) Belgians are comming to our tournament. Give us some time!

And Beppi, If the dutch people want to, i should like to join (tx anyway!)

We can make a Nederland - Belgium - Italy tournament 8-)!

i accept, with a light preference with 10x10 =)

accept!!! preferably 8x8.

I prefer 10x10

Let's play both 8x8 and 10x10! :-)

There are a few Dutch players who don't follow the forum discussion very actively, but I'm sure they would like to play in the challenge too. They should be messaged, when the challenge's format is more clear.

Gianluca Severino is another Italian reversi player who might be interested.

If there are many more Dutch and Italian players, than there are belgium players, perhaps the third team should be a 'rest of the world' (Japan/USA/UK/Belgium/Cyprus/Hungary/…).

But perhaps not Kyrgyzstan. :p

But perhaps not Kyrgyzstan

Well, if we (also) play 10x10, I don't mind :-)

I accept!

I'll be happy to follow you from outside!

i'm in :)

I prefer 8x8

I'd like play!!! (I prefer 8x8)

I do!

(although I'm away for the Copenhagen EGP upcoming weekend)

I accept, but I see that I'm already in.

I wouldn't mind 10x10

I am a reversi addict, I'll play all kinds :-)

Well, are there enough Belgian players, then?

As a formula, I propose to make 3 turns, and at each turn each player of one team meets one random player of the other team.

Accetto anch'io, se mi volete per la rappresentativa italiana….

I accept the challenge , if I can; I'm not so good, but I will do my best.

Jdewael

Movieloverxxl

Michael

Oldblackmagic

(snipke?)

AT certain 4 players, I presume michael would like to join

I'll ask them!

This player may also want to join the Belgian team: Hjallti

Any suggestion on the formula, provided we're going to have three teams with a different number of players each?

I'll accept of course

Michele Borassi

i'll accept, 8x8 or 10x10, i like both :)

I'm not sure if I understand the format. Say, belgium has 3 players, nl 11 and it 12, does that mean 12 games per round are played (each belgium player plays 4 games, the dutchies play 1 game per person, except for one, randomly chosen, and the italians all play 1 game per person)?

If so, why not play everyone from the other teams? So the belgium players would play 23 games, the Dutch would play 15 games and the Italians would play 14 games.

> … why not play everyone from the other teams?

Yes, I think this is a good choice.

If we prefere more rounds (with one game for each player) we can play X rounds of swiss system forbiddening intra-team matches.

donato

Hi, Donato! Good to see you here :-)

Yes, a Swiss-style tournament would be better, IMO. Same game-load for all the players, and a best chances for equal games.

But whatever system Beppi picks, I'll agree with it. He's our quizz-master, after all :-)

And Belgium will cooperate with other countries i guess (to make an equal numbers of players!)

Tazmanian? :-)

I am Norwegian, and in theory we could have a Norwegian team with jonny justvik, rune theodorsen, mmbeer and perhaps others, but I don't know if they are interested, and I am not all that interested myself - I'm already part of the Norwegian Hex team and I am trying to cut down on LG activity.

may be another solution to get on with this challenge is by creating more teams. For examble you could have a Scandinavia team or a rest of Europe team (I would rather not have a Polish team… and don't ask why!). This is how it was done for the Hex challenge.

A swiss style format was suggested for the 1st SS championship and it was rejected because it would be very slow (the next round could only start when all the games of the round are finished).

We could put all the cheaters in one team :p

I think it will be difficult to get a strong 3th team together (challenging Italy and The NEtherlands is not an easy thing!)

Getting a 4th team (so 52 players in total) is almost impossible I think

“I would rather not have a Polish team… and don't ask why!”

Why not?

Why not?

Let me guess: probably because of the bad reputation they have. However, I don't agree with it. I wouldn't mind a Polish team. I know most Polish players are great opponents. Personally, I've only met very pleasant opponents from Poland so far but, unfortunately, fact is that some Polish kids are spoiling the fun for others in several types of games.

I think the Dutch are ready… what about the Italians?

Here I am, again, I was waiting to see if some others would have accepted. So, we're back again Italians and Dutch?

As dodo suggested, it's possible to play a Swiss system with Swiss Percect, allowing players not to play against own federations. This, btw, allows even to have federations playing with different number of players, obviously their chance of winning is lower!

We could even add federations with 2 or 3 players.

agoui said that the Swiss style is a bit slow, it's true but I think that it is much more challenging, and after all we're all frequent players here.

About Belgians and Norwegians: I think that if you can arrange two teams, it's a good thing, otherwise, you can arrange a “rest of the world” team, I think you may find a lot of people to join! 8-)

The formula I decided, then (I'm the BIG MASTER OF THE TOURNAMENT and my decision is not contestable because is obviously perfect :-) ) is:

RULES FOR BEPPI'S INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT:

ANY federation can apply, having at least 3 players.

The tournament will be played on 5 rounds (enough?), with a swiss tournament. Matches between players of the same federation will be barred. The program used will be Swiss Perfect.

For the final standings, the tie breaks will be: bucholz, minor scores. The initial sorting will be based on LG ratings.

The points of the first 3 players of each will then be summed and that will be the score of that federation! 8-)

Here's a list of players that already signed:

Beppi ITA

Arnoud Meijer NED

Robin NED

klaashaas NED

Nicky NED

erwin vd berg NED

Anja NED

Roel NED

movieloverxxl BEL

Dom ITA

Claudio Signor. ITA

Roberto Sperand.ITA

alkosan NED

dodo_italy ITA

Gianluca Sever. ITA

jancgp NED (hopefully human! 8-))

ercolatena ITA

Smaughster NED

Fabio S. ITA

Michele Borassi ITA

Tasmanian Devil NOR

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Let's wait a week more to arrange the third team, then we start, and may the best win! 8-)

Beppi

Actually, I have not signed up.

Do it, Zamunda 8-)

well you can count me in 8-)

gheghe

2-man-teamed belgium

i prefer 10x10 or maybe combination of both 8x8 and 10x10

Ow hello this is the first time i;m on this forum, so i just read about the challenge. Is there still a spot for me in the challenge :)

greeting Bas

Hi guys, first time I've read this forum for a long time. This challenge sounds interesting, mind if I join in?

Robin, check your messages at LG or tell me your correct e-mail.

Sorry Roel. I think you have been sending messages to the wrong Robin. (There are two Robins on this website.) I've read your mail now and replied.