New championship in 19x19 and 9x9 :-) Go forum

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New championship in 19x19 and 9x9 :-)
  • liso at 2003-05-16

    Rio I have proposal.

    Next championship in 9x9 and 19x19 is (relatively) far future.

    But I think if u have enough NEW player u could start new championship for them.

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    Next (more sofisticated and probably wrong) proposal is this:

    Because there are still some player with higher ranks - in case they finish this round of new championship BEFORE finish , u could rename it to “pre-turn” and winners draw to first round to higher league.

    Example (19x19):

    Actual Championship is 2-nd. If u have enough players which dont play in 2-nd tournament and are waiting 3-rd tournament, u could start new group of 3-rd tournament.

    If this gorup will finish before finish of 2-nd tournament, u could draw winner to higher league and rest of players could play again first round of 3-rd championship.

    I think it is fair that there will be players with 2 chances to win in one championship, because it impact only lower league and there is still enough new strong players… (u could make it recursively and then it impact also higher league, but I dont believe that “pre rounds” will finish games 2 times quicker :-)

    Next advantage is that there will be smaller time for waiting (which is really pretty long for 19x19!)

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    Problems(?) -

    There is question how often or when start this “prerounds” (I propose start it immediatelly when is there enough player for group (like in Monthly)

    There is danger (?) that somebody could make more ids and make “potemkin's” group to prepare win for himself :-) (I think if he is not strong he will be ban in next round :-)

  • fhayashi at 2003-05-16

    An alternative would be to do it like they do for the big pro tournaments, and start a new championship every two or three months, regardless of whether the previous ones were complete…

    but this makes the monthly tournament a bit redundant.

  • Richard Malaschitz ★ at 2003-05-21

    Great idea !

    For example ICCF start new world championships regularly regardless of finished previous championships.

    I suggest start new championships regularly (every 3 months). Players will have right to play in groups according to their last result (in finished group) in championship.

  • Dvd Avins at 2003-05-21

    That could get complex. For instance, if a player does well and poorly in alternating championships, s/he could be bouncing back and forth between the 1st and 4th levels, depending on which tournament finished last.

    I also think it would make the monthly cups and the championships step on each other's identities. Maybe you want to combine the two types of tourneys into one. But if you want to keep running them both and have players interested in competing in both, I think you need to keep them very distinct.

  • liso at 2003-05-21

    My idea was not to make new monthly cup!

    New Championship will start on LOWEST level (I agree it is simillar to monthly), but what is VERY IMPORTANT ->

    Players on HIGHER level dont need to play lowest rounds!!! (and still could win Cup & glory & (in future? :-) money :-)

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    But there is one question. Could player play in one moment 2 championships? For ex. if I play 2nd league in 4-th championship, could I register to 5-th championship to lowest league?

    I hope not! :-) If not. Then ther won't be any oscilation…

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    Probably there could be one possibility of bouncing - unregister and next register (for ex. after unsuccesful of first round)…

    But I think it is OK!

    1. there is only one identity ! (so transparent and no oscilation)

    2. there will be more opponents for newbies to start new lowest group. (which does not affect higher group!)

  • Richard Malaschitz ★ at 2003-05-21

    I think there are two reasonable solutions:

    1. 1. Some kind of qualification tournaments for new players. According to result

      in this tournament will be players divided to levels in new championship.

    Problems: It is very similar to monthly cup. I can use monthly cup or rating

    tournaments instead of this. (for example rule: every body who won two groups in rating

    tournament level 9 has right to play in 2nd league in next championship,etc.)

    1. 2. Start new championship regurarly (every 3 months or 6 months). Players will be

      divided into levels according to their last finished tournament result.

    Problems: If during three months is not finished any championship group, players will

    be play in the same groups with the same oponents.

  • fhayashi at 2003-05-21

    The seeding in the tournaments should somehow include ranking, shouldn't it?

  • Dvd Avins at 2003-05-22

    I think for most games, the current system works very well. But for Go 19x19 and maybe for Chess, more frequent championships would be good. If you later add other games that take as long as these to play, that would apply to them, too, of course.

    Maybe for long games you could have both a rank-based championship (as we have now) and a rating-based championship, where players are grouped by rating instead of the results of previous toutnaments. They wouldn't be the same as rt's, because there would be many more players per section and it would be acknowledged as a championship.

  • fhayashi at 2003-05-23

    I like solution number one, using the monthly and ranking tournaments to seed for the championship which would start every 4 months. Basically, this means that your kyu/dan ranking would be your seed.

    If there's some 5-dan that wants to be put into the top division faster, I'm sure that can be taken care of by the administrators on a case-by-case basis.

    Otherwise, you play games to get ranking to get into the higher divisions.

  • liso at 2003-05-26

    I am still thinking about tournaments with MONEY prices (sure wit entrance fee) :-)

    Do u have any ideas?

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